DBMM BOOK 2 PDFJune 23, 2020
DBMM Army List Book 2. «on: April 14, , PM». Can someone post a link to the Army List book 2 please as I’m having difficulty finding it. Thanks. DBMM ARMY LISTS BOOK 2 – THE CLASSICAL PERIOD, BC TO AD COMPILED AND EDITED BY PHIL BARKER These lists are intended for use with . DBMM Army Lists: BC to AD Bk. 2 [Phil Barker] on *FREE* Author interviews, book reviews, editors picks, and more. Read it now.
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All members in good standing are free to post here. Opinions expressed here are solely those of the posters, and have not been cleared with nor are bdmm endorsed by The Miniatures Page. Even if you do not play DBMM, these must be the most well researched and plagiarised army lists for the ancient period. I believe “Tactical Ancient Armies” were the first serious ancient wargame’s army lists, published by Milgamex infor WRG 5th edition armies.
The book contained almost lists. They had quite a nice format, with four unit availibity categories: At the time the only WRG army lists were the few in the purple primer. I have a memory of old timers saying that before this date comps published their own ‘legal’ lists, some knocked out by PB and his crew. They are nigh bkok the same as the first MM army lists with some minor changes.
For instance the Visigothic list is now called Gothic, that’s about the flavour of the changes, all that input by a lot of different people xbmm nothing really changed, still has a bunch of typos according to the people on the MM yahoo list.
I’ve heard similar comments about the similarity between the 1st and 2nd editions from two gamers who have bought the new lists. I play DBM occasionally and use the DBMM lists and I am wondering if it is worthwhile getting the new ones if only a limited number of lists have changed. I don’t want to risk breaching copyright but does anyone know of an on-line list of the lists that have changed — if you see what I mean? How would you convert DBMM lists into a ‘real-world’ format, with armour, morale and weaponry?
Ashill I think someone is doing an errata of the changes, will try and find out and let you know. I don’t think it breaks copyright but am not an expert.
It’s basically a reprint from what I can see. All that talk about changing things with all that input, even from Duncan Head, and nothing, even has typos still, Sx s was thought to be a new troop type but turns out it’s meant to be Ax s.
Not sure why it took so long in that is the case. At least they are back in print if anything needs replacing, as the print quality was not that great to begin with. My original DBM book 2 is a lot older and has been used more than my MM book 2 which is falling apart, may just replace that.
I know another list someone is Lh s in there own home list but is only Lh o in others where they are acting as mercs. I too would be highly interested to see the changes. Apparently the Welsh list in Book 3 the bowmen are now Bw s for some unknown reason, how they are as good as English long bowmen no one knows why.
Will let you guys know what the changes are, but as I said from what they have been saying on the MM yahoo list it isn’t much at all which has got some a trifle unhappy over there. The latest rules have differentiated the combat boook for irregular BwS and regular BwS. The cost differential has changed so the regulars are more expensive now.
It’s the one with the puzzled Viking on the cover, and the DBA cover Roman on the inside front cover. The cover says for use with the rules BC to A. From the text in the introduction it seems clear these were the first ones that Phil produced.
The army lists in the book pictured above by Arnold Hendrix was prepared, I believe, for his own rules. Read about them here. I have a copy. I used them when I played WRG 6th. Looking back they are somewhat dated, dnmm then you can say that about any set of army lists that haven’t come out in the recent decade.
I also have a copy of Mr Hendrix’s Ancient Warfare. These actually have the army lists at the back of the rules, including Middle Earth lists. I’ll also say that I still hold the same opinion that I wrote in Bob’s link. Were I inclined to dbmmm back to a unit based set of rules like 6th edition, I’ve be seriously thinking of using Ancient Warfare instead. It was far ahead of it’s time with the mechanisms dbm, used.
Haven’t read the rules in a very long time, not since they first came out. But I do find it interesting that some MM players are talking about ignoring one of Barkers new troop 22, namely the blok X in front with Bw I behind that.
It made the old Bw S Samuri too powerful as they fbmm “cheap” Irrg but shot just as well as massed disciplined Bow units. Not sure though that DBMM can withstand any more complexity did Phil also at last cut some fat out of other areas of the rules? Maverick here’s a link to the MM yahoo page thread where Duncan Head who is a very knowledgeable and respected person in the ancient gaming community as well as the MM crowdis doing a list of ddbmm and changes, only has book one done so far, haven’t read the errors and changes myself yet.
The impetuous movement rules are generally considered much simpler. Don’t get me wrong, DBMM is not a “simple” set of rules at all. I would never recommend DBMM to someone who only intends to play a handful of ancients games a year. I like the complexity. It allows both a “set up and smash troops together” type of game, dgmm one with sneakiness and skullduggery for example you deploy with two commands on the table.
Your opponent believes you are flank marching and re-deploys a command to face the on-coming flank march. But you have instead used a “delayed” command and your command comes on your own side and dbjm quick march up and take him on the flank. But there was so much noise on the DBMM “playtest” list that it was hard to get heard. The smaller group used for Biok.
But honestly feel that DBA3. There are very few mistakes, but Duncan lists everything. The main purpose of what Duncan is doing is to give the differences in the old lists, vs the newly released ones.
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People, here are a list of a ‘ few’ more errors in book one boom far link I’m not opposed to MM Drusilla unless you can show me where I’ve done so in this thread, as Dbjm said constantly in the past I don’t care who plays what it’s just the ‘well this is far superior to other ancient games as it flows much better as its so elegant compared to others’ comments from MM players.
Even you have to admit the list books still contain errors from the first editions?
Drusilla I have never made personal negative comments about anyone or what they playand that sir is unsporting of you. Also remind me again who asked the convention staff to return the tables you were going to use for boko MM games at Lancaster and told you who had dmbm please?
Book three errors and changes, I also find it interesting that Duncan himself says some of the changes seem dubious.
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Joe, I think some people forget all we are doing is pushing little dollies around on a table, it’s not world breaking. No rule set is perfect or we’d all be playing it. And I’m well aware DBM isn’t perfect, it has issues and don’t mind when others say so.
We all have different tastes but apparently with some you are not allowed to say if and why you don’t like something or even have an public xbmm.
I’m having an issue with Yahoo. I’m mostly interested in book 3 and Baltic armies in book 4. Is it worth getting the new lists or not? I’m in the same situation. From what I’ve seen so far I don’t think it’s worth buying the new lists if you have the old ones.
The real changes I’m looking for are in book 4 which I don’t think anyone has compared yet. I’ll be highly disappointed if the Scots Common pike aren’t classified as xbmm after Bolk don’t think it’s worth it, Duncan head is compiling a list of changes, dbnm and problemsbook 4 should be soon, he book done the first 3.
Did you booi any specific lists in mind as I can have a quick look for you and let you know. Maverick I will take a quick look at the scots list later and let you know. Maverick, The scotts common only has one change that I can find, the feudal archers: I’m going to be making up an errata list of changes from Duncan’s for my guys here to put in their old MM lists, as the errors and changes aren’t that different.
The written paragraph looks the same but didn’t look through it closely. Anything else you need me to look at? That’s highly disappointing and I probably won’t be buying the new book then, greatly appreciated dbmm checking Aynsley. The feudal English only has one tiny change, the upgrade levy spearmen w north Welsh foot Irr Pk f got changed from toI suppose that’s to reflect the fact they fight in 3 ranks at least in m not sure about mm so you’ll have 3 ranks of 3 rather than 2 of 3 with one under powered file of 2 elements.
The HYW English lost the Bw s in the main list it got moved to nook before of after 13 something and some other minor Bw s numbers changed from to per Kn something or the other way around, apart from some Bw s numbers etc. The list picked up some letters after some troops, X can only be used in England not France and vie ser versa. Not touching the Tudor list, too many things to check. I have a few armies from that book.
Catavar, I just looked at Duncan’s list of book 3, bok makes no mention of Burmese or early Tang so one assumes no changes. So no need to change anything in your armies. Enough of a change for me to at least dbmm book 4.
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Most of the changes have added dbmmm nuances to the armies. When someone who doesn’t even play DBMM, tells you not to buy the lists, take with a grain of salt what they state.
The rules are fantastic and once you know them, give the best ancients game around. Maverick, I didn’t notice the Scott’s common army the pike are still the same as the first MM list ie, they still become Reg. Pk o after As Drusilla says I’m sure some lists have become better with ‘excellent nuances’ which not one single person has praised on the yahoo MM list but when people on the MM list themselves start calling changes ‘dubious’, with new bok types that aren’t cover in the rules no one is sure of how to treat the new Bw X with Bw I behindbasic misprints with the Roman general Sulla in AD not BC is a bit obvious, I never said they had many errors just as Duncan head himself says as well that they had errors, then again dbmmm must be because I’m a heretic where you get the MM view of the world us good everyone else bad.
My personal advice is to just wait for Duncan’s errata of changes and errors of all the books, that will save people a lot of money for basic little changes, which some don’t seem to like being mentioned for some reason, oh well takes all sorts I suppose. Sorry – only verified members can post on the forums. WRG’s red book was also published inboth in April, I wonder what the back-story was here. Phil’s purple book did have some army list and it was published in